Started Yesterday at 11:30 AM, Watch Repair Talk Thoughts? So if you not concerned about the warranty removing the back and visually looking at the balance wheel and hairspring would be helpful. For instance, I’ve had one of my earlier Seiko 5 getting very inaccurate to the tune of +1min/day (partly my fault as I was using it for all sorts of outdoor activities…). RB-H. Quote; Link to post Share on other sites. The hairspring may also have got caught on a regulator pin. berchotto. Why do anything else??? This has turned into a very educational thread. It happened rather suddenly at the six month mark and has remained that way the last 3 months (hasn't improved or worsened). Montres chrono Tout réinitialiser; Affiner la sélection. Today I share the issue of magnetism on your mechanical watches. But, it worked for me. ESL. When I photographed the watch it had been worn all day, so I assume the power reserve was adequate. Search My Stuff. I've had another look, both studs look like they could be radially too far out in their location slots and pulling the spring over to that side. Originally posted by Fugit. Any help greatly appreciated. I also notice that the hairspring giving issues seems to have a lot of extra past the end stud which will make it run fast if the overall length is to short. Filtres. The hairspring needs centering. Your problem is almost certainly a functional shortening of your hairspring. I had the same problem with an old Seiko that I own. Search My Stuff. Or repair it, if you've bonded. Had it for about a week and its still that fast with no signs of slowing down. If your watch is running too fast: lay the watch vertically with the crown up. Picture #6 shows the mechanism of a 7S26 movement, found in a Seiko 5. Horological Education. I'd be tempted to take the winder module off too, to see the click, rachet and winding wheel. Quote: I am not a watchmaker, so follow this advice purely at your own risk. What is perplexing me, is the hairspring seems to be favouring one side of the balance wheel as if it is off centre. La collection Seiko 5 est née dans les années 60 à partir d’une idée simple, qui lui a d’ailleurs inspiré son nom. The other problem with the Chinese watches is the glue holding the hairspring in place only can survive a limited number cleanings before it washes away. Don't go too far as you do not want to deform the spring (and if you're not comfortable with this then try instead turning the whole assembly over and let the balance wheel hang down suspended by the hair spring as if you were about to install it in the movement), and you should be able to see the individual coils separate in the vertical. my seth thomas mantel clock has a balance wheel and is running fast it picks up about 30 minutes over night. Powered by Invision Community. My other option is to take it to a trusted watchmaker in town and let him have a go at it, but I am keen to learn. Call Now: 1 (888) 807-0325. Any advice? This would definitely cause an increase in rate. The watch hasn't been dropped or bumped. Ricardopalomino, I agree that 3 cups of coffee prior to hairspring work is excessive. marksx. We're talking minutes\hr. Would a pallet fork made for one member of this family (as listed on http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&0&2uswk&Cortebert_532) also be the same for another member of that family? I ran into another post on another site where someone had the same question with this 7S26C movement. By Robert Johnston 27 November 2015. I've noticed this Seiko is running very slow, despite the fact that I never take it off (automatic) except in the shower. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. ESL 187 Posted May 19, 2008. Travel . Seiko diver running 5 to 10 mins slow a day You can view Sales Corner if your post count is 50 or more and you have been registered as a member for 60 days or more. When the Kinetic watches are brought in for repair, the capacitor is normally replaced with the LiOn Cell. Well You've gone this far , so the advice and concensus from the members is to clean , demagnitize , relube the pivots and try it . I agree with Marc, definitely looks like the coils are touching each other in the image above. Awards. Thread starter Harvey Mintz; Start date Aug 19, 2004; Sidebar Forums. Update #2:  So I just removed the balance cock from the movement. If you have a simple demagnetiser, you may have to try it a couple of times to get the result you want. Thanks for your input everyone! Yesterday for some reason it started to run way fast. Original Poster. Look very carefully at the picture of the hairspring at about the twelve o'clock position and you'll see what appears to be oil contamination holding the could together. Reply Reply Author. If you are looking for a high-quality watch in general or a Seiko watch in particular, this article is perfect for you. Here is a guide to help keep your watch running and what to do if it starts losing time. My Profile My Preferences My Mates. Good luck, A question of confidence - Newbie Breitling Service, How to properly shape chronograph center second. Report; Share; Posted May 19, 2008 … There are many things that can make a watch run fast, but the most common is a simple buildup of dirt in the pivots. My automatic watch is running very fast. Then regulate again, watch it for another 2 hours and so on. Just moving this to give more length might resolve the centering issue. Comment by fungusamongus on September 8, 2009 @ 1:10 am. Is it possible it has become magnetized or is it more likely to be a mechanical problem? Hi, Angelis, I've just posted a maybe long comment related to an automatic Seiko 5 which I've bought brand new from an authorized dealer in Europe. Please advise; thanks ! I got the watch through ebay so returning it or getting it adjusted without paying a local jeweller was not an option. It is probably magnetism but the issue will be if you open the back the warranty will be invalid. Exceptionally fast is + seconds per hour. 2,778. berchotto. The watch does have display-back, but I will remove the back to get a clear picture and post the pic to see what people think. Thanks . I am thinking the next logical (easiest) step would be to disengage the hairspring stud from the balance cock and slip the hairspring out of the regulator so I can see what the balance assembly looks like compared to a new one. Repairs, Replacements and Adjustments. I will clean the hairspring this weekend and see if that takes care of it. If you look at the hairspring pic from Ebay the spring has a bend just before the regular arm. I am aware that it has an adjustment lever, but even at its' max slow (-) increment it is way too fast. I was no able to find a watch repair shop that will had a watchmaker to look at it. It is still under warranty, but I am not sold on the idea of shipping it across the country to the Seiko warranty centre. In other words can I safely order one of the pallet forks listed in your link and know it would fit my watch? Most likely cause is either magnetism or contamination. Its a process of elmination, next I guess is checking under dial. Thread starter Phoenix_one; Start date Feb 5, 2012; Feb 5, 2012. Seiko 5 . Tourbillon; Member; 187 3,657 posts; IO91SP Awards. Is this normal or have I found the problem? If no improvement I would imagine that something has happened to the balance, either the beat corrector or regulator has been moved, probably buy a drop or being slammed against a door. If this is happening to your watch, don't worry, it's probably an easy fix. Seiko 5 - running fast. Thank you . Then do it two more times. Robbie010 Here are a couple of pics of the balance wheel after it was cleaned... Geo: what looked liked oil causing the the coils to stick together (at the 12:00 position) was a reflection from the edge of the balance cock casting. Hi - received a new SKX007 today, set the date, time etc and find it's running approx 7 seconds per minute fast. Thanks for everyone's input! Do I have to remove the movement from the case to demagnetize it? You can post in Sales Corner if your post count is 250 or more and you have been registered as a member for 180 days or more. May I doubt about speeding because of the over-charging, maybe rather because of the lubricating not yet having taken effect, I don't know. croyde. Watch Repair. I have included Timegrapher results below from when the watch was new and now. He loves it and NEVER takes it off. This is the best I could manage with the tools on hand but seems to show a cold joint. Thoughts? (It might just need regulating.) Seiko’s newer line of Kinetic watches feature LiOn cell rechargeable power resources instead of the older capacitors. D’un point de vue physique, une bonne montre est étanche et a une bonne résistance aux chocs. Correcting this is one of the simplest tasks for a watch maker. Can anyone tell me what this lever is for and where it should be positioned? If it's needle sways back and forth in sympathy with the ticking, it's likely that magnetism is the culprit. I have a demagnetizer but haven't tried it on this watch, yet. Where can I have my old watch repaired? Thread starter #1 P. Phoenix_one. My SEIKO runs too fast. Anxiously awaiting the results on this chapter! The style is very reminiscent of the Seiko SARB033, or the SARB035 if you happen to like light dials – in which case you want to check out the Seiko SNKL41 (Amazon link, harder to get).. I agree entirely with @jdm. I'll post the pics in the coming days. Just re-read my own post..... typo alert!! I can for certain see that 3 coils are definitely touching each other. If it were on my work bench then before I started any hair spring manipulation I would try one last diagnostic ploy. Try to demagnetise ... you may need to do it a few times... read the instructions (for the demagnetiser). http://www.timekeeperforum.com/forum/threads/adjustment-and-regulation.21105/, By ;). NAWCC Member. You may be able. I gave my son a SEIKO SNK807K2 last year. Thanks for looking that up. I also searched online for a picture of the same movement but that was inconclusive. Original Poster. just demagnitized , cleaned the hair spring in the lighter fluid and relube the pivots and my watch runs very well..Sorry for the bad English guys . A forum community dedicated to watch owners and enthusiasts. Don't drink 3 cups of coffee and try it . Style. I didn’t bother sending it to the watchmaker as 1) the watch is still ticking and 2) the repair bill will be a substantial percentage of what’s the watch is worth. Discussion. The choice has its history, the fact is I'm scared it runs as fast as roughly 25''/24h, from the very first day I have it; there were somewhere within this forum some oppinions stating the over-charging of the machine might have lead to fast running of the watch. If those outer coils are stubbornly glued together (by whatever agent) then the vertical separation won't be even. Home; Lifestyle. I have included Timegrapher results below from when the watch was new and now. It's a relatively common problem with the movements used in Seiko 5s and will cause it to run extremely fast like magnetization. Started July 25, 2020, By If after all that the problem does prove to be a distorted hair spring then manipulation is your only option; at least you don't have any sharp kinks or bends to re-shape. wow... looks magnetized but I would have thought it would be more like 6 minutes an hour! What I will say this if not an easy task it needs a steady hand & most importantly very fine good quality tweezers. HectorLooi a before and after shot of the movement may help determine any movement of the beat corrector / regulator. I removed the clear back and adjusted the little -/+ arm. Where can I have my watch strap adjusted? wow... looks magnetized but I would have thought it would be more like 6 minutes an hour! If it is contaminated, I can't see oil or anything else on it. I will limit it to two cups today:)! Movies. After a couple of days I noticed it was running fast by approx 20 seconds per day. Magnetism: If a watch suddenly begins running extremely fast (20+ seconds per day to hours fast per day) it is usually an indication that the hairspring coils are magnetized, causing the coils to stick together. Marks videos explains this as does other Youtube videos from perplxr and others . Try to demagnetise ... you may need to do it a few times... read the instructions (for the demagnetiser). For over 50 years, Seiko 5 Sports has delivered consistently high levels of reliability, durability, performance and value that have endeared it to lovers of mechanical watches worldwide. What's New 3 12 24 72. I thought I'd add some pics that may clarify the regulator pin adjustment and the reason for not turning in the wrong direction. From the forums, it seems that Seiko 5s tend to run fast out of the box but I think this is way too much. Don't touch it until you are comfortable cleaning/lubricating a similar movement and getting it running as it should. Replica Seiko 5 (left) vs a real Seiko 5 for the Middle East export market (right) Above: Though hard to spot, the fake Seiko 5 (left) has the words "Automatic" and "21 Jewels" that are placed too close to the center of the watch dial. Aug 19, 2004 #1 Jstroke - What you're describing is the regulator. my seiko 5 keeps stopping. Today, with the creation of a new design and a broad new collection, this much loved timepiece is re-born. Anytime when your watch is running fast or slow, it is advisable to see a watchmaker and let them diagnose the cause for the inaccuracy. My new Seiko 5 SNZE85K1 is running about 15 mins faster per day. Depending on the watch and your location the cost runs somewhere between EUR 20 and 50. I thought about shipping it to the one and only Seiko authorized service centre in Canada, but these reviews have me rethinking that option. He will have a device that listens to the tick-tock of your watch and tells him if it runs slow or fast, so he can regulate, test again and so on, till it is in the 20 sec mark per day. Asked by Discussion. I worked up the nerve to try this after watching Marks video with good results , but I will agree with clockboy that you need a steady hand and fine good tweezers . It doesn't involve opening the back and if it sorts it great, and if it doesn't take it back to the shop. If this fails then removal of the balance assembly for a quick dip in Onedip or lighter fluid to remove any contamination, and the coils should free up and decentred themselves. To get it freed up try this: Place the watch on your palm with the crystal down and slap the watch. You can go to a watchmaker, he/she will regulate it for you. Everything is supposed to stay physically locked in place but what if the stud rotated all by itself? I tried closing programs in task manager however nothing seems to affect the fan speed. On the same stem as the +\- lever is another adjustable lever which is probably in the wrong position. I'm still not convinced that those outer coils aren't stuck together. Television. Take a look: I looked at the Seiko technical guide to see if this is normal or not, but the pictures in the guide are very grainy. However, such a machine seems to be expected to be a heavy duty one, so taking stupid care on sharing the day in periods of keeping the watch at wrist and keeping it at rest after, and so on, as if the movements were not regulated in speed by the escapement, etc., is exceeding my power of understanding the concept of modern and accuratelly controlled time measuring machine . NAWCC Life Member. You not only  have eliminate the parts you removed but might even see the fault starring at you, also wind through rachet wheel, that eliminates quite a bit for the least. I've seen this on the Chinese watches where they didn't clone the parts exactly right and they were somewhat free-floating. So to understand what were looking at I've attached a PDF extracted out of the Seiko document explaining Etachron. What if the hairspring was bent at the stud? Once the power stops flickering (Rural New England during a snow storm) and I find a good way to fixture it, I will try a low temperature silver solder past. Has it taken a hard knock or bump recently? If they don't then my next step would be to lift the balance wheel up vertically above its pivot so that the hair spring forms a cone. JavaScript is disabled. well if its been worn all day then it should be fine...just thought I'd mention it. As yours was already adjusted I suspect all you have to do is just rotate the stud back to where it originally was and the hairspring will center itself. I am aware of the delicacy required here. Jun 7, 2002 536 15 18 South East Florida Country Region. Giving Back Through Giving Time Auctions. The trace of the timing machine is all over the place... first thing to check is does the watch have a good power reserve? I've checked task manager and the CPU is very low, between 2 and 15%. Where can I have my watch battery replaced? I saw the samething . Also, the font is … When I get asked “what is the best Seiko 5?”, my answer in invariably the SNKL45. i have a seiko automatic watch trouble is its keeps running fast about 5 minutes does any one how to fix this? With the balance cock upside down on the bench as you have it in your photo I would lift the balance wheel out of its pivot and move it horizontally towards the 8 o'clock position (in your pic) to see if those outer coils separate with a revised position for the balance axis (in other words try temporarily re-centring the coil by adjusting it's centre relative to the stud and curb pins). 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